Here we bring you the concluding part of the interview with Dimeji Lawal. Enjoy:
How did your interest
in football develop? Or was it the only sport available when you were growing
up?
When he came, we were on the assembly when he was presented as a good ambassador of the school. He came back with what is called digital wristwatch now; you know that old school watch that makes music; so the principal played the music for the whole school because he presented the watch to the principal. Since then, I decided that come whatever, I want to be a star like Tosin Adebambo. I started working towards it and thanks to God, I was opportune.
How did you feel after
the penalty shootout that saw Nigeria losing the final of the U-17 World Cup to
the USSR in Canada ’87?
The pains
cannot be described; you know we were young and if you looked at the newspapers
the following day, most of them had photographs of where I was crying. We all
felt we had disappointed the nation and it was so painful. I remember our
Pillar of Sports then, Chief M.K.O Abiola consoling and talking to all of us
that we were young and that in a game of that magnitude, a winner had to emerge
and there would be a loser, unfortunately, we were at the losing end.
Two years after that, you were in Saudi Arabia,
a member of the team that played the “Dammam miracle”. People that were around
then still talk about the historic comeback and eventual victory over USSR.
When you remember that game, as a Nigerian and a footballer, what goes through
your mind?
I think that
was the day I really knew I was in the right profession. Just like I could not
describe the pain of Canada 87, I cannot describe the joy that came after the
game in Saudi knowing fully well that it was the same team that caused us pains
in Canada that we now came back to cause them pain too. So it was a really
happy moment for everybody because I remember when we were four goals down, we
were like “guys, how would we go back to Nigeria? People will break our heads
o”. We saw it as the highest form of disgrace for a team or a nation and when
we were getting in for the second half, what was on our mind was to redeem our
image and maybe score one or two goals to reduce the margin but at the end of
the day we won the game. Everybody doubled their efforts in the second half.
Good you won that game,
but what would you say did the magic?
I will say the fear of coming home with a deficit of
four goals; there was no way you could face the nation with that. So it was
sheer determination from everybody that whatever it takes let us reduce the
margin. And when everybody doubled their efforts, it was like 22 against 11 and
it eventually paid off.
Many have a feeling
your national team career ended with a role played by Clemens Westerhoff, the
then Technical Adviser; there was a match you were warming up and the
spectators started shouting for your inclusion. After that match, Nigerians saw
less of Kabongo in the Super Eagles. What happened between you and Westerhoff?
To God be
the glory; I am about the first Nigerian that graduated from the Golden Eaglets
to Flying Eagles and from there to the Super Eagles. I had my time in the Super
Eagles, though it was very short; short in the sense that the then gaffer was
Westerhoff and the obvious reason was that I had no kind of benefit to him
playing in the Super Eagles then. I was
already playing in Spain and he was preparing a new set of players for the
national team; who I can say are equally good. And from that moment in Lagos
when he was playing one of his players and the team was not doing very well and
I was on the bench; people started throwing water nylon, cans and stuff towards
the bench requesting for me to come in. I remember I was rushed in by my then
coach, Tunde Disu, who was the assistant coach to Westerhoff. I was just
beginning to warm up; they didn’t even allow me to warm up because it was
becoming a big issue at the National Stadium.
I was rushed
in, I remember my first move resulted into a goal and eventually I scored a
goal myself. I remember my late skipper, Stephen Keshi carried me shoulder
high. Since that very day, I started having issues with Clemens Westerhoff
because he thought if the nation can rise behind a player like this, he might start
having problems about having his way in the future. And at that time, Finidi
was playing well.
The last
straw was the injury I had during the qualifying series; I got injured while
playing for my club in Belgium and I was off football for a whole year. So I could not continue participating in the
qualifying series not to talk of the World Cup. That was the end of my stint
with the Super Eagles.
Even many people who
know your real name would rather call you Kabongo Ngoy; how did you come by
that name?
Like every other player in my early playing days, my
nickname was “Peledona”, a combination of Pele and Maradona. After the
performance in Canada ’87, Ernest Okonkwo, the ace commentator said “I call him
a new car”, that was because of my speed. Later on, in 1988, Kabongo Makanacky Ngoy
was voted the best African player at the Nations Cup. And some people just felt
I play exactly like him so they started calling me Kabongo Makanacky Ngoy.
That was how
the name came about; unfortunately, Kabongo Makanacky Ngoy’s career ended
because of a serious injury just like mine, a bad coincidence.
Looking back at the
challenges with your club, the issues on ground and what retired footballers
are facing; if you were given the chance to choose a career again, will you
still choose football?
Whatever I
have done in the past, I don’t regret. If I were to come to this world again
and you ask me what I want to become, I would want to come back as a footballer
because there are so many opportunities and there is so much money in it. I
like artistry, I like applause, I like making people happy, I like to see
people clapping, I like surprising people and giving them fun. That is my life,
so I will choose football over any other thing.
I wanted to
be a lawyer; the only regret is that the Nigerian system does not provide the
avenue to combine the two together. The Nigerian system makes it so difficult.
About a week ago, I was reading about a Bayern Munich player defending his Masters’
degree thesis in Poland. You see how easy it is for them. Rashford wrote exams
recently; all he had to do was to train in the morning and go to school in the
afternoon. I remember when I was in the university, the lecturers made it so
difficult for us; especially with their belief that we were wasting our time
doing sports. And the way things are going, every footballer needs a bit of
education but the education a footballer needs may not come within the four
years of a university. Football management courses can take six months while
coaching can take a year. There is no need to sit in a university for four or
five years.
We must
strike a balance and if I have the opportunity I really want to address that.
Can you recollect the
toughest opponent you faced as a footballer and the toughest match you played?
The toughest
match I ever played was in the local league between Femo Scorpions of Eruwa and
Sharks of Port Harcourt in 1988. Toughest opponent was Adokiye Amasiamaka.
While I was the right winger for Femo Scorpions, he was the left winger for
Sharks. The match was played in Eruwa and we eventually won the match 2-0 but
instead of me attacking, I was defending. It was a very difficult match.
At 46, you still find
time to engage in sports and you still look younger than most retired
footballers of your age. What is responsible? Is it discipline or there is a routine you stick to?
So I put problems
aside because I know we don’t have control over some things. And I do a lot of
exercise; and there is something I like a lot and that is women. (General
laughter) I like women and when I say I like women, it doesn’t mean I am stupid
with women or I don’t have control over what I do. I laugh when people try to
depict stars as womanizers; tell me a job that has to with the public and
doesn’t involve women. All you need to do is control yourself.
My wife
knows and that is why throughout my playing career and even till now, she has
never come across a negative report about me and I haven’t recorded any scandal.
It is because I am in control of what I do.
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